The PBTH doctors discuss how a plant-based diet affects iron levels, dementia, osteoporosis, and much more!
Questions Answered
- (00:04) – Do you know a dietician that is wholefood plant-based and knowledgeable of hemochromatosis?
- (02:44) – I have been on a wholefood plant-based diet for two years. still battling hypertension, What else should I be doing?
- (05:25) – My husband's two last labs have shown an above normal and increasing level of iron saturation. Should I be concerned?
- (09:42) – Can a plant-based diet help/improve dementia?
- (14:51) – So what are the benefits of having your blood tested?
- (16:27) – Why is my hair dry and brittle? I'm eating a low fat, wholefood plant-based diet, no oil, no added sugar or salt. My vitamin D and B12 and iron is good.
- (18:42) – I'm low on B12. Which supplement brand is the best, and how much should be taken?
- (21:45) – Any specific tips for newly diagnosed rheumatoid arthritis?
- (24:05) – Is AlgaeCal an effective supplement?
Complete Transcript
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(00:04)
So here we go, we have some questions. Holly asked, “I've been completely plant based, wholefood plant-based. Just diagnosed with hemochromatosis.” She mentions some genetics here. “My wholefood plant-based diet is now a concern and possibly making things worse. Greens, vitamins A and C, increasing absorption, et cetera. Do you know a dietician that is wholefood plant-based and knowledgeable of hemochromatosis and requirements. The cookbooks rely heavily on dairy. Brenda D and Juliana H have not been able to help me. Thank you.” Anybody have any suggestions or thoughts on dieticians or where to go for help besides us? Of course, anybody. Dr. K?
Dr. Michael Klaper
(00:49)
I'd say if she's already talked to Brenda Davis, then you have to go outside our world here. There are university centers where they deal with people with hemochromatosis. They've got clinics devoted to that, and I'm sure they have dieticians and dietary programs associated with them and got to cross out the meat dishes, which they should be crossing out anyway, because of the iron content. But it would be worthwhile looking at the university center near this person and get an outpatient dietary consult with whoever attached to that clinic who deals with these folks. And so, I could coach her with that. Send me her email. I can do a little looking for her if she'd like.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(01:34)
Yeah, Holly, if you want to put your email or you can send it to Dr. K or to me through the chat and where it's secure.
Dr. Michael Klaper
(01:45)
And where you're located.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(01:48)
Yeah, okay. And the state where you're located, that'd be great. Perfect. And so thanks, Dr. K. Appreciate that. And also Amy, sometimes with hemochromatosis, you just have to be, basically you have to take blood out. So the wholefood plant-based diet is still going to be the most beneficial. You're absorbing a different type of iron. It's not going to be as serious if you're eating those high animal products with the Haem iron. So I wouldn't have any hesitation to have you continue on the plant-based diet, at least from a medical standpoint. But as far as looking at the foods and different combinations and stuff, that might be very useful. Dr. K said he'd help you out there. So I do appreciate that. Thanks so much, Dr. K.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(02:24)
And let's see here. I've got all over the place today. Here we go. So, Dr. K, you already see this patient. So I'll message you who that is. Okay.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(02:44)
And basically here, Rick asked, “I have been wholefood plant-based diet for two years still battling hypertension, three meds and hyperlipidemia. Cardiac workup is clear with 68% injection fraction. What else should I be doing?” I think is what he said. “We'll find out today about aldosterone levels.” Well, that's good. That's actually a good thing. Because you can start looking at secondary causes honestly, is what I'm thinking, kidneys and other stuff. But anybody else thoughts on that?
Dr. Michael Klaper
(03:13)
I'd like to see a three day dietary intake record. What is the man really eating? What's he really putting in his mouth? Because under a wholefood plant-based, there can be a lot of stuff that may have salt or oil or things in it. And so he should really shift his diet towards really wholefood salads and soups and steamed veggies. And that's about it for a month or two to really stop all flour products, stop all processed foods. But if his doc already do that, then as Dr. Marbas implied, your doc really needs to do some looking for secondary cause here. Do you have a narrowing of the artery going into the kidney? Do you have a renal artery stenosis? That might be behind this and they're talking about adrenal tumors, looking for androstenediol issues.
Dr. Michael Klaper
(04:11)
There's a whole list of tests you do for secondary causes, hypertension. You should really run through that whole list. So you don't want it up with the flat forehead syndrome where the diagnosis shows up, you go, “We should have thought about XYZ there.” So have your doc do a good search for other causes there and then shift your diet way towards raw foods and the whole foods and take good walk every day and get back to us in a month or two and after all these tests are done to let us know what showed up.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(04:46)
That sounds like a very thorough answer. Anybody else have anything else to say? All right. And again, flat head syndrome, Dr Klaper. All right.
Dr. Michael Klaper
(04:54)
We all have that.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(04:58)
You're on the roll today. All right. Here we go. And Rick just mentioned his kidneys were cleared. Okay. But I'd also make sure the kidney's arteries, the arteries to the kidneys are clear. So it's not just the kidney. Okay. The kidney's just doing what the kidney does. It's like, “I'm not getting enough blood.” So it sends out hormone stuff up the blood pressure. So it might be the actual artery to the kidney is causing an issue. So just something to think about.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(05:25)
Kathleen now. “So my husband's two last labs have shown an above normal and increasing level of iron saturation.” There's a lot of iron questions today. And the iron level itself is within normal range, eats a lot of raw greens, especially spinach. Should he be concerned? Any suggestions to help. Anybody have thoughts on increasing iron, but still in the normal range when you've been eating lots of raw vegetables? I don't see any concern, but does anyone else?
Dr. Chris Miller
(05:51)
I don't know that from eating food, that it causes you to go high. So I would double check that you don't have any other sources of iron. If you're cooking with iron cookware or iron in the pipes or iron accidentally a supplement or something. And then you're talking the iron saturation, so I'd be curious, you said your iron itself is a normal range, and so what the ferritin level is. So I'm not sure that that's a problem with your food.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(06:18)
Yeah. And I'm just curious why they're checking iron on a man anyway. That's an unusual lab, unless there was something to be called for. It's not your normal type of panel and stuff. So again, it'd be a great question to ask one of these amazing plant-based doctors on this plant-based telehealth over at plantbasedhealth.com. Even if you just have some general questions, it's nice for people who are eating a wholefood plant-based diet just to check in, even if it's just annually. Because we can just look at things with a different context and a different knowledge and experience. But does anyone want to speak to any experience you've had with people who've been eating a wholefood plant-based diet and is coming in as a patient, anything that you've seen that you've tweaked or helped or any stories there?
Dr. Michael Klaper
(07:01)
Well, common things are common as they say. And it might just mean just eating just a ton of greens, a little more than his body can. Us guys, we can't get rid of iron and when you eat it, it piles up there and he eats lots of raw greens, especially spinach. Well, why don't you cut back on his greens by 50% for a month or two or three and then recheck. And if the saturation starts going down, then that's all it really turned out to be. And so I would just cut down, instead of this much greens, have this much greens per portion and just see what happens.
Dr. Michael Klaper
(07:38)
As we all try and increase iron absorption in most our folks, especially women of reproductive ages, we always tell them you can increase the absorption of iron with the addition of vitamin C and that increases iron absorption by six times total. So we recommend that people, if you've got greens in front of you and you want to increase iron absorption, to squeeze lemon juice over your kale. If you're making spinach salad, put Mandarin orange slices in there for the vitamin C to increase iron absorption.
Dr. Michael Klaper
(08:11)
Well, he wants to do the opposite of that. Don't be consuming citrus. If you got all that greens in front of you, don't have a bunch of orange slices, bell peppers, things that are high in vitamin C. Have that on in the next meal there. So try and break up that vitamin C and iron containing green combination as much as you can to minimize iron absorption. But just cut back on the amount of green you eat and check it in a couple of months and I suspect it'll straighten itself out.
Dr. Kim Scheuer
(08:41)
I think like Dr Chris Miller said, you want to make sure you're not getting supplemented somewhere else if you're taking supplement or something like that.
Dr. Michael Klaper
(08:50)
Read the label.
Dr. Chris Miller
(08:55)
I've seen patients who have come in with abnormalities of iron and actually we did tease it out in their multivitamins. So yeah, I didn't think they did that in multivitamins. I didn't think they could anymore, but we do have to read them.
Dr. Michael Klaper
(09:06)
Read those labels. If you've got iron or ferrous gluconate or anything like that, check make sure you're not taking iron in something. They're absolutely right.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(09:14)
Yeah, absolutely. And you'll even sometimes see it on protein powders or some of these vegan supplemental powder drinks. So really pay attention to what you're consuming. If you're just doing wholefoods without any extra supplements except that B12, definitely check those labels, because y'all be amazed at how many people come in on 30 plus different supplements. It's overwhelming. We're going to just stop and start with B12. So, that's a good place to think about there. So, all right.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(09:42)
So we've got some other questions. From Kristen Bummer, who's amazing. If you guys haven't met Kristen, she's got an awesome book. I've also interviewed her on the podcast. You definitely need to check her out. Kristen says, “Hi. I always appreciate everyone. Could you chat about the power of plants for preventing and reversing dementia? Can it help all kinds of dementia? Any specific changes beyond a wholefood plant-based diet?” So any thoughts on brain health?
Dr. Kim Scheuer
(10:07)
Sure. I know that Dr. Dean Ornish is doing studies on that right now and he'll hopefully come out with his results soon. You want to first of all, get your vessels as clear as possible. So anything that affects cholesterol will affect your brain. You want to get rid of alcohol and things like that, that can decrease your brain function. You want to make sure you're sleeping well. It's a very important thing for prevention of Alzheimer's and helping any thought processes. Movement is very important. Foods that increase your nitric oxide, which will help vasodilate, those are all very important for brain food. And my favorite, and I think some other people's on this is blueberries. Have your blueberries every day. But you want to avoid toxins and things that will not help your brain. And you want to hyper nutrient yourself or give yourself lots of nutrients that will improve your brain function.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(11:17)
Absolutely. Flood that brain.
Dr. Elisabeth Fontaine
(11:21)
We see an increase in dementia when you think about it. So we have to think that there has to be a correlation to our typical American diet. Some people call dementia, Alzheimer, diabetes type three. So in itself, you say it touched a bigger vessel. And when you think about it, the brain is composed of very small little vessel. And therefore it does have an impact slowly, progressively on these vessel. And again, the plant food base would have an amazing impact. There's a couple that is very-
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(12:00)
Dean and Ayesha Sherzai. Yes, Dean and Ayesha.
Dr. Elisabeth Fontaine
(12:03)
So, they have made amazing studies on Alzheimer, and there's a connection of usually with dementia. And I think if you need to have more information, there's just amazing what they've demonstrated.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(12:16)
Yeah. They have a podcast, they have a website, they have books and they got a great Instagram feed. So I'd definitely check them out. So it's Dean and Ayesha Sherzai, for those who aren't familiar.
Dr. Elisabeth Fontaine
(12:28)
That's why I don't remember the name names. Oh, it's Ayesha.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(12:33)
Ayesha. But it's Alzheimer's solution. And then I think they came out the other book. I can't remember the exact title off the top of my head, but I've also interviewed them on the podcast. It's a really cool one.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(12:45)
But no way, Kim, this is funny. When you said the blueberries, the next question was thoughts on eating blueberries daily and you just already answered. Why wouldn't you enjoy these every day?
Dr. Kim Scheuer
(12:58)
Exactly.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(12:59)
Really? They know that there's one last box of blueberries in that refrigerator if it's my grown children, they know that's mom's blueberry box. So this is a decade plus long issues. So I've been eating blueberries every single day, at least once a day for a decade. So I'm just throwing that out there. Except for when I went to Africa, I didn't have blueberries. That was the one time. Okay. So eat your blueberries.
Dr. Michael Klaper
(13:29)
I'd like to add to Dr. Scheuer's excellent comments, as far as avoiding toxins. One, I was very impressed to where I saw slides of blood vessels taken from people who died with Alzheimer's and without Alzheimer's. And they looked at the blood vessel arteries, right to the brain. You could see the folks who died of Alzheimer's, the artery walls were thick. Noticeably two, three times thicker and spongier. They were not healthy arteries. And it turns out this is a result of these molecules called advanced glycation end products, AGEs. And it comes basically from eating sugars and eating meats. When you cook meats, you create these AGEs and when you eat sugars in food, when you even vegan donuts and Cola drinks, all that. There's a great way to seed your arteries in your brain with these AGEs that really thicken the brain blood vessels and decrease blood flow and have major role in Alzheimer development. So keep your diet lean and clean a wholefood plant-based diet should be very low in AGEs. And you'll remember where you put your car keys and what your wife's name is.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(14:44)
There you go. Always ends, I love it. It's perfect. So here's another. Just two other questions here.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(14:51)
So Lucy asked, “Hi there. I went plant-based a year ago. I wish I'd taken a blood test before changing my diet so I can compare it to now and see what the difference has been. Do you think it would still be worthwhile doing one now anyway, as I never do them? I haven't noticed much of a difference other than less bloating and a lot more gas.” So what are the benefits of just being tested and making sure everything is okay? Do you guys want to chime in on that?
Dr. Chris Miller
(15:17)
I will. I think good for you for being wholefood plant-based and yes, there are benefits to checking your labs and seeing where you are. And what we've learned, what I've learned is from being a physician and seeing so many patients, is that we're all different. We absorb nutrients differently. So even though we're eating plant-based diets, we're not necessarily all going to have the exact right levels. And certain nutrients are a little more elusive. Zinc sometimes is a little harder to absorb for plant-based eaters. Vitamin D depending on where you live, how much vitamin D you have. B12 even though hopefully you're supplementing with it, some people don't absorb it very well. So these are things that it would be worthwhile checking and even checking your lipid panel.
Dr. Chris Miller
(16:01)
There's still genetic tendencies that we see some people with these fabulous cholesterol levels after going whole food plant-based. And some people, it stays a little bit high and we have to tweak the diet and help them out to get it where we wanted to get them to a safe level. So I definitely encourage checking baseline labs, which we offer here that we have a basic nutrient labs and just basic panel to make sure everything is okay.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(16:27)
Perfect. Another question from Keisha, I hope I say that right. What test could I get to find out why I have dry brittle hair eating a low fat, wholefood plant-based diet, no oil, no added sugar or salt. My vitamin D and B12 and iron is good. Any thoughts on dry brittle hair?
Dr. Chris Miller
(16:48)
Hi, Keisha. So dry brittle hair makes me think of a couple of things. And one, I'd want to look at what your diet is. Your food diary, see what you're eating. Some people need a little extra omega threes and also depending on where you live, but also depending on how well your body metabolizes them. If you're eating things like flax or chia seeds or walnuts, green leafy vegetables, sometimes for some people that's not enough and they're not converting it into the longer chain EPA and DHA. And so some people do need a little extra algae oil or some other form of omega threes, and that helps their dry skin. And I have seen a difference in some of my patients who had really dry skin and brittle hair. That's one thought.
Dr. Chris Miller
(17:31)
Another thought is what is your thyroid health? So that can caus dry, brittle hair as well, if you have low thyroid or high thyroid function. Stress can cause abnormalities in hair. Nutrient deficiencies if there's anything that's even a little bit low. Zinc is necessary for hair growth. Iron is necessary for hair growth. So there's several factors that can be looked into relatively easily and hopefully help you with that.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(17:59)
Absolutely. And if you're really strict on the no salt wholefood plant-based diet, the thyroid is a really good thought, because I've seen some patients coming in who have been very strict and not finding a great source of iodine. They're slightly low in their iodine and their TSH had been slightly elevated. So they came to us because of the thyroid abnormality. So when we dove in and had them do a 24 hour urine iodine, we replaced the iodine and everything shook out fine. So just throwing that out there, because a lot of people get their iodine from, it's in a lot of cows milk, but we don't want that. But they'll get it from iodised table salt as well. So there's some great thoughts. And I think any of us here could also do that. We have the capability to order the labs. So I would definitely get the labs and I think that's smart.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(18:42)
There was also a great question from Barbara. She asked, “I'm low on B12. Which brand is the best and how much should be taken?” So basically she's low on B12. How much should she be taking and any particular brands that you would recommend? Anyone? I like Nature Made. It's cheap. It's easy to come by. It really does depend on how low and why is it low? So there's a variety of things. Are you not absorbing it? Are you not taking enough? Is the brand that you have not good? So I would say before we tell you how much you should be taking, we should do some additional testing. And I think that's a very individualized basis. It can be anywhere from a very small amount to a larger amount depending on the situation.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(19:28)
So I think the max I've seen that someone really needed to get to where their homocystine was normal and their methanoic acid was about 1000 micrograms per day. But those are on the less side of things, but that's through testing and just walking through, changing it up and doing that. But most of the time we get people doing very well. You want to make sure your intrinsic factor is okay, your absorption is issue. Have you had surgery where you've done some internal plumbing rearrangement for weight loss surgery, some things like that? There's going to be several things that could be inhibiting your absorption. So it's a really case by case basis. Sometimes you need injections.
Dr. Michael Klaper
(20:02)
In general, I've had better luck in getting the vitamin B12 from the supplement into the bloodstream by using preparations that are absorbed in the mouth. Either these sub-label B12 tablets that absorb under your tongue or liquid drops or sprays. Something that can be absorbed through the lining of the cheek or under the tongue there, I think will boost the amount that actually gets absorbed. So you might want to experiment with those different kinds of vehicles.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(20:34)
Yeah, that's great.
Dr. Chris Miller
(20:35)
Explore the [inaudible 00:20:36] too if you're not already taking that. That can make a difference. Some people aren't able to convert it, so it's not as effective. So that's something else to play with as well.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(20:45)
Yeah. And I had a patient actually send me a really interesting article on different types of B12. So we have to be a little bit careful about some people just do strictly methylated cobalamine. The problem is that shifts, there's some different pathways. But I'll send that out to all the doctors and maybe we could talk about that at some point. But it was really interesting that I had a patient send me that. I was like, “Thanks.” It was from some Swedish journal. She's an amazing scientist. So thanks. I'll share that with you guys. I thought it was interesting. I hadn't heard about so.
Dr. Niki Davis
(21:14)
Yeah. I was going to say Dr. Gregor on nutritionfacts.org recently did a review where he looked at the methylcobalamin versus a cyanocobalamin. And I think that he decided that cyanocobalamin might be a little bit better absorbed. And so that was his recommendation. And then I was just going to say the formulation that I use, I think it's called B12 Dots. But just like Dr. Clapper was saying, these ones are these tiny little tablets that you just suck on. And so that they just absorb in your mouth.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(21:45)
Exactly. Perfect. So we had some other questions. So let's see here. Any specific tips for newly diagnosed rheumatoid arthritis? Oh, yeah. Go ahead.
Dr. Kim Scheuer
(21:59)
See a doctor.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(22:01)
Chris, go for it.
Dr. Chris Miller
(22:04)
Yeah. Sorry about your new diagnosis, but at least you have answer here. So first of all, you definitely want to go wholefood plant-based and it's real important that you cut out all of the animal products entirely, completely. Absolutely no dairy, no meats. You want to cut out processed foods. I know that's a little bit tricky sometimes, even plant-based ones because of all the food additives. And to cut out sugar, because that's also very inflammatory for your joints. And then you want to eat a nice wholefood plant-based diet, be very diverse, make sure you're eating lots and lots of raw, dark, leafy, green vegetables and cruciferous vegetables. So that's helpful. Omega threes is important, as we were talking about. So you can get that from your flax seeds, your chia seeds, and maybe some people do need a little extra algae oil if they're still having some joint pains. So a little something extra.
Dr. Chris Miller
(22:58)
And then working on the lifestyle factors that very much contribute to autoimmunity, as I know first hand. Which is stress, lack of sleep, not exercising, not moving. So yoga has been shown to be very beneficial for rheumatoid arthritis and in eight weeks, people reported significantly less rheumatoid arthritis after doing it just twice a week. So you may want to play around with that. So making sure you're moving all your joints and staying lubricated. So, that is a basic start. Make sure your nutrients are okay, your vitamin D and your B12, those types of things, that's a basic start. And then from there we can help you tweak it or help you if you're struggling with it because there's a lot you can do for rheumatoid arthritis. You really can get better from that. So hopefully you'll feel better very soon.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(23:49)
Absolutely. And I would just also add that I think rheumatoid is one of the most quickly responsive things to the diet. So they do really well. Someone's asking if Chris is available in Nevada. Yes, Chris is available in Nevada. I'm starting to memorize y'all's states. It's going to get a little scary actually.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(24:05)
So basically there was another good question here. It says, “My DEXA scan result was negative 2.3, which is a T score, which puts you in the osteopenia. Is AlgaeCal an effective supplement?” You guys want to talk about osteoporosis, osteopenia, any thoughts there?
Dr. Elisabeth Fontaine
(24:19)
I think that for brain and bone health, probably the most important thing is to make sure that you do some movement. We tend to forget about movement and usually it's more resistance movement, little bit of weight into what you want to do. And it's probably the best way to not only prevent, but build the bone. So I don't know exactly if there's more element. How old are you and where are you? But if you're in the normal range, I think the most important thing is definitely, at least for me, it's to encourage you to add some of that movement and resistance. We have a tendency for women at least to do a lot of endurance exercise, lots of walking, running, biking, but it's really the resistance one that will be most important for the bone.
Dr. Chris Miller
(25:20)
We got to build our muscle to build our bone. That's what I always say. You got to get strong. All of us.
Dr. Kim Scheuer
(25:27)
Women are of very light, so they're not carrying the extra weight. So I actually wear a pack when I'm walking, because that adds weight that helps the bones. Also, make sure your vitamin D level is okay or maximized because you really want that for prevention.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(25:45)
Yeah. And Kim, we walked up in 10,000 feet Leadville and I could not keep up with this woman. She is a beast. So I'm just going to throw that out there.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(25:55)
Anyway, also with the osteoporosis, just some things to think about guys, is there's lots of different things it can be. Were you always low? Did you lose it after menopause? So, you want to start in, so lots of prevents if you have young women, young men in your life. Because I've seen men with osteoporosis also in our platform really encourage these things. You want to be eating high calcium food. So before I would take a calcium supplement, I would actually make sure you're consuming, what they're recommending is around 1200 milligrams for menopausal women. Weigh your food, measure it and put it in Cronometer and see how much actual calcium you're taking before you take a calcium supplement, which can have some other side effects.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(26:36)
And if you need some help guidance, what else could be going on? Thyroid? Are there anything else that we could actually be optimizing to make sure that you're not neglecting other things that could be not allowing you to promote your bone growth or promote stabilization anyway. But any other thoughts to add to that?
Dr. Kim Scheuer
(26:55)
Another thought too is going wholefood plant-based actually improved my bone density significantly. Getting rid of the dairy and the meat makes a huge difference. So I would definitely stick to a very clean, healthy wholefood plant-based diet.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(27:14)
Awesome. And go ahead, Dr. K.
Dr. Michael Klaper
(27:17)
Yeah. I just want to say my colleagues just gave you just a superb mini course in osteoporosis prevention and referral and reversal. And Dr. Fontaine was absolutely right, as were all the nutritional comments. You've got to feed your bones. They need all the things that your brain needs, and your muscles need. They need protein, vitamins, minerals. Absolutely. But most importantly, use those bones against gravity. Dr. Scheuer wears a pack. You can get a little weighted vest. But at least a half hour a day, do something that against gravity, take a walk with a couple of three-pound hand weights and a weighted vest. Do resistance bands. Anything that stresses those bones will stimulate the cells that spin out new bone. It's like muscles. You use your muscles, they get bigger. If you don't use your muscles, they turn into guacamole. And same thing with your bones. You use your bones, they get strong. You don't use them; they turn into a styrofoam. And so, keep those bones strong by using them and you should not tangle with osteoporosis.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(28:27)
Fantastic. And so, I know I've kept you guys over your half hour, so I'm just going to summarize. Someone was asking how much is the group telehealth. That's all information that's on our page. If you go to plantbasedtelehealth.com and click on programs and click on the plant peer group immersion, all the information will be listed there. And you can certainly do that. And if you're not going to be in the states that we're doing our first pilot group with, we do have a waiting list link that you'll come with your first email. So, then we can see which other docs will be available to set up these group appointments as well.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(29:00)
And Joel says he just stumbled upon us and said, “This was awesome. So thank you guys for doing that.” That's what he said. So, welcome Joel, we're here every second and fourth Thursday of the month at 12:30 mountain time. Y'all forget out where all you are there, because I'll screw it up every time. And we're really thankful for you guys for being here, because you have limited time in the day. So one resource we can't get back once we've used it up. So we appreciate you spending your time with us and we hope you find this valuable.
Dr. Laurie Marbas
(29:26)
Again, we have the plant peer group immersion. It's really awesome. Dr. Niki Davis, Dr. Elisabeth Fontaine are going to be running that and I can't wait to see these amazing results. And I really hope if you guys don't want to do it, if someone else wants to, please share the information. We just can't tell you how valuable this is going to be. It's only been good. And also all these amazing doctors at plantbasedtelehealth.com. We can also meet them individually should you choose to do that as well. So thanks everyone.
Dr. Chris Miller
(29:56)
Thanks.
*Recorded on 7.8.21